A heated confrontation played out on Piers Morgan’s show as Yusuf Tuggar, minister of foreign affairs, sparred with Goldie Ghamari, a former Canadian member of parliament, over allegations of Christian persecution in Nigeria.
Tuggar appeared on the Tuesday broadcast to contest the claims, clarify statistics, offer context and address Nigeria’s wider security challenges.
During the opening 16 minutes, Morgan cited figures from the International Society for Civil Liberties and Rule of Law (Intersociety), which alleged that more than 50,000 Christians have been killed in Nigeria since 2009 and 18,000 churches destroyed.
Tuggar rejected the numbers as misleading and argued that the religious framing was inaccurate, insisting that the Nigerian government does not record deaths by faith and considers all victims as Nigerians.
When Morgan pressed for official figures, the minister responded that only 177 Christians were killed and 102 churches attacked in the past five years.
Tensions heightened when Morgan brought Ghamari into the conversation as a second guest.
The former Canadian parliamentarian alleged that Nigeria’s insecurity amounted to a jihad, drawing parallels with the October 7, 2023 Hamas attack on Israel.
She also referenced the shared Islamic faith of President Bola Tinubu and Vice-President Kashim Shettima as “evidence” of an Islamist-leaning administration.
“By the way, this is a government that is working closely behind the scenes with the Islamic Republic of Iran. You should ask the foreign minister why Nigerian school children are holding pictures of the Ayatollah who is a brutal dictator and is murdering my people in Iran,” she said.
“People need to look into the linkages between the current Nigerian government and the Islamic Republic of Iran.
“I was a politician for seven years, Piers, and I can tell when someone is lying and avoiding the truth. That’s exactly what this foreign minister is doing and shame on him for lying.”
Tuggar dismissed Ghamari’s remarks as ignorance and described her comments as rambling.
He accused her of making inflammatory statements from a distance and treating Nigerian lives lightly.
Responding to Morgan’s question on Tinubu and Shettima’s faith, the minister said Nigerians place greater emphasis on regional balance, noting that Tinubu is from the south while Shettima comes from the north.
He affirmed he condemns attacks on Christians carried out by Islamist militants.
“I lost my father-in-law to an attack by an Islamic terrorist group, Boko Haram, so I myself I’m a victim. I’ve lost family members to attacks and they were Muslims,” he said.
“But it doesn’t matter whether they’re Muslim or Christian because their aim is to kill, to maim, so that they would achieve their objectives. And the number one enemy of Boko Haram is not a Christian. It is a Muslim who does not subscribe to their own brand of Islam.”
Morgan then turned to Ghamari for her reaction. She insisted that the killing of Muslims does not “negate the fact that there is a targeted ethnic cleansing of Christians in Nigeria”.
In a fiery rebuttal, Tuggar accused her of fuelling conflicts from afar without understanding local realities.
He said, “This lady would not know the difference between a Fulani man, a Tiv man, an Igbo man if they stood in front of her.
“But you can see clearly overnight because it pays. She’s probably making money out of it. She is out there trying to start a war.
“They want to break up Nigeria the same way they broke up Sudan and now they’ve run away. She’s not talking about Sudan anymore. She’s not talking about South Sudan. I bet she was one of those that was agitating for Sudan to be dismembered.
“This is what they do. This is what they try to do to Africa. Nigeria is the largest country on the African continent. It is the largest shock absorber to the African continent in terms of admitting migrants, in terms of freedom of religion. It’s Africa’s largest democracy.
“But people like you who don’t really care about freedoms, about the freedoms of either Christians or Muslims or Africans will continue to agitate for the break up of Nigeria for war the same way that it’s happening in South Sudan and you’ve kept mum because you’ve moved on.
“You don’t care about the loss of lives. For you, it’s just another black country to be broken up. You don’t care who dies.
“It’s not going to happen to Nigeria. Move on to your next project. You’re a disgrace. You’re a disgrace to the Canadian nation. I’m shocked that you say that you actually practice as a politician in Canada. Move on to the next episode. Leave us alone.”
The interview ended shortly afterwards.